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Jim,
I stated: "Several people have recommended that you contact your insurance company (i.e. the state) and discuss your concerns and request a referral to another doctor. You've not responded to those people at all and haven't stated whether you have attempted to do this."
No part of that quote indicates that you have failed to follow up on the help you received from others here. That statement was a subtle way of *asking* if you had. Perhaps I should have been more blunt so that you would not "resent my assertion"...which did not exist in the first place.
The reason that I made that comment is because you have made it perfectly clear that communicating with your doctors was getting you nowhere. The only other avenue that you have left to pursue beyond your doctors is your insurance company. If your doctor chooses to be an insensitive jerk and not take your medical concerns seriously...then you need to find a doctor that knows something about true patient care. Your insurance company is the one that determines which doctors you can see. Therefore, logic dictates that you would contact your insurance company and make known your concerns and desire to be seen by a different doctor.
You compare me to the doctors that you have been "running" into lately. If I were anything like the doctors that you have been dealing with I wouldn't have offered up advice along with everyone else...I wouldn't have continued reading your posted topics with the hope that things started working out for you...and I wouldn't be typing this most recent response to you either.
If you wish things to be placed in their proper perspective...you really should consider finding out the true meaning of one's words before you jump to conclusions and make assumptions as to the intent of those words. I've no interest in arguing with you or anyone else for that matter. Life is far too short for such petty practices. However, I will respond when the intent of my words is misjudged and I am judged based on those misguided assumptions.
Good day,
sprout
[This message has been edited by sprout (edited 05-06-2003).]

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Originally posted by sprout:
Jim,
I stated: "Several people have recommended that you contact your insurance company (i.e. the state) and discuss your concerns and request a referral to another doctor. You've not responded to those people at all and haven't stated whether you have attempted to do this."
No part of that quote indicates that you have failed to follow up on the help you received from others here. That statement was a subtle way of *asking* if you had. Perhaps I should have been more blunt so that you would not "resent my assertion"...which did not exist in the first place.
The reason that I made that comment is because you have made it perfectly clear that communicating with your doctors was getting you nowhere. The only other avenue that you have left to pursue beyond your doctors is your insurance company. If your doctor chooses to be an insensitive jerk and not take your medical concerns seriously...then you need to find a doctor that knows something about true patient care. Your insurance company is the one that determines which doctors you can see. Therefore, logic dictates that you would contact your insurance company and make known your concerns and desire to be seen by a different doctor.
You compare me to the doctors that you have been "running" into lately. If I were anything like the doctors that you have been dealing with I wouldn't have offered up advice along with everyone else...I wouldn't have continued reading your posted topics with the hope that things started working out for you...and I wouldn't be typing this most recent response to you either.
If you wish things to be placed in their proper perspective...you really should consider finding out the true meaning of one's words before you jump to conclusions and make assumptions as to the intent of those words. I've no interest in arguing with you or anyone else for that matter. Life is far too short for such petty practices. However, I will respond when the intent of my words is misjudged and I am judged based on those misguided assumptions.
Good day,
sprout
[This message has been edited by sprout (edited 05-06-2003).]
The very fact that you phrased your "assertion" in such a way as to feel a pressing need to suffix it with; "I'm sorry if this seems harsh" speaks to your intentions and prior knowledge (or at least a resonable assumption) that it would indeed be taken "harshly". Perhaps rather than critiquing my actions without a full appreciation of what I'm actually going through, you might try not responding at all as I find your tone to be one unconducive to and inconsistant with the overall well-being of the forum.
Furthermore, what might be percieved by (or obvious) to you might not necessarily be so "obvious" to others so it is important to be very clear about the message one is attempting to convey - particularly on the internet where it's often difficult to gauge a persons mood, intent or meaning because of the lack of facial expressions, voice inflection and other visual/auditory cues. Therefore, the onus is on you (and you alone) with regards to what you want me to "take" or "not take" away from the conversation.
If you indeed want me to take away something good, than it is my suggestion that you put something constructive in your posts rather than some long and heated diatribe over my critisim of health-care professionals. I will critize where it is deserved and when I feel I've been treated unfairly. Again, I don't like your tone.
Since I really have too much going on in my life at the moment to fall pray to your attempt to involve me in an argument, you may consider yourself on ignore from this point forward. The remainder of your post I won't even dignify with an answer since I think it's pretty obvious to everyone that I've responded to many of the people who gave me their much-appreciated assistance and have authored a number of new posts and even helped others who were having problems a time or two. For those I did'nt reply to personally, I DO apologize but please understand that I haven't been feeling well which is the very reason behind my posting anything in the first place.
End of conversation - I'm done here
[This message has been edited by jimbrown (edited 05-06-2003).]

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Originally posted by sprout:
Jim,
I stated: "Several people have recommended that you contact your insurance company (i.e. the state) and discuss your concerns and request a referral to another doctor. You've not responded to those people at all and haven't stated whether you have attempted to do this."
No part of that quote indicates that you have failed to follow up on the help you received from others here. That statement was a subtle way of *asking* if you had. Perhaps I should have been more blunt so that you would not "resent my assertion"...which did not exist in the first place.
The reason that I made that comment is because you have made it perfectly clear that communicating with your doctors was getting you nowhere. The only other avenue that you have left to pursue beyond your doctors is your insurance company. If your doctor chooses to be an insensitive jerk and not take your medical concerns seriously...then you need to find a doctor that knows something about true patient care. Your insurance company is the one that determines which doctors you can see. Therefore, logic dictates that you would contact your insurance company and make known your concerns and desire to be seen by a different doctor.
You compare me to the doctors that you have been "running" into lately. If I were anything like the doctors that you have been dealing with I wouldn't have offered up advice along with everyone else...I wouldn't have continued reading your posted topics with the hope that things started working out for you...and I wouldn't be typing this most recent response to you either.
If you wish things to be placed in their proper perspective...you really should consider finding out the true meaning of one's words before you jump to conclusions and make assumptions as to the intent of those words. I've no interest in arguing with you or anyone else for that matter. Life is far too short for such petty practices. However, I will respond when the intent of my words is misjudged and I am judged based on those misguided assumptions.
Good day,
sprout
[This message has been edited by sprout (edited 05-06-2003).]
The very fact that you phrased your "assertion" in such a way as to feel a pressing need to suffix it with; "I'm sorry if this seems harsh" speaks to your intentions and prior knowledge (or at least a resonable assumption) that it would indeed be taken "harshly". Perhaps rather than critiquing my actions without a full appreciation of what I'm actually going through, you might try not responding at all as I find your tone to be one unconducive to and inconsistant with the overall well-being of the forum.
Furthermore, what might be percieved by (or obvious) to you might not necessarily be so "obvious" to others so it is important to be very clear about the message one is attempting to convey - particularly on the internet where it's often difficult to gauge a persons mood, intent or meaning because of the lack of facial expressions, voice inflection and other visual/auditory cues. Therefore, the onus is on you (and you alone) with regards to what you want me to "take" or "not take" away from the conversation.
If you indeed want me to take away something good, than it is my suggestion that you put something constructive in your posts rather than some long and heated diatribe over my critisim of health-care professionals. I will critize where it is deserved and when I feel I've been treated unfairly. Again, I don't like your tone.
Since I really have too much going on in my life at the moment to fall pray to your attempt to involve me in an argument, you may consider yourself on ignore from this point forward. The remainder of your post I won't even dignify with an answer since I think it's pretty obvious to everyone that I've responded to many of the people who gave me their much-appreciated assistance and have authored a number of new posts and even helped others who were having problems a time or two. For those I did'nt reply to personally, I DO apologize but please understand that I haven't been feeling well which is the very reason behind my posting anything in the first place.
End of conversation - I'm done here
[This message has been edited by jimbrown (edited 05-06-2003).]

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Originally posted by sprout:
Jim,
I stated: "Several people have recommended that you contact your insurance company (i.e. the state) and discuss your concerns and request a referral to another doctor. You've not responded to those people at all and haven't stated whether you have attempted to do this."
No part of that quote indicates that you have failed to follow up on the help you received from others here. That statement was a subtle way of *asking* if you had. Perhaps I should have been more blunt so that you would not "resent my assertion"...which did not exist in the first place.
The reason that I made that comment is because you have made it perfectly clear that communicating with your doctors was getting you nowhere. The only other avenue that you have left to pursue beyond your doctors is your insurance company. If your doctor chooses to be an insensitive jerk and not take your medical concerns seriously...then you need to find a doctor that knows something about true patient care. Your insurance company is the one that determines which doctors you can see. Therefore, logic dictates that you would contact your insurance company and make known your concerns and desire to be seen by a different doctor.
You compare me to the doctors that you have been "running" into lately. If I were anything like the doctors that you have been dealing with I wouldn't have offered up advice along with everyone else...I wouldn't have continued reading your posted topics with the hope that things started working out for you...and I wouldn't be typing this most recent response to you either.
If you wish things to be placed in their proper perspective...you really should consider finding out the true meaning of one's words before you jump to conclusions and make assumptions as to the intent of those words. I've no interest in arguing with you or anyone else for that matter. Life is far too short for such petty practices. However, I will respond when the intent of my words is misjudged and I am judged based on those misguided assumptions.
Good day,
sprout
[This message has been edited by sprout (edited 05-06-2003).]
The very fact that you phrased your "assertion" in such a way as to feel a pressing need to suffix it with; "I'm sorry if this seems harsh" speaks to your intentions and prior knowledge (or at least a resonable assumption) that it would indeed be taken "harshly". Perhaps rather than critiquing my actions without a full appreciation of what I'm actually going through, you might try not responding at all as I find your tone to be one unconducive to and inconsistant with the overall well-being of the forum.
Furthermore, what might be percieved by (or obvious) to you might not necessarily be so "obvious" to others so it is important to be very clear about the message one is attempting to convey - particularly on the internet where it's often difficult to gauge a persons mood, intent or meaning because of the lack of facial expressions, voice inflection and other visual/auditory cues. Therefore, the onus is on you (and you alone) with regards to what you want me to "take" or "not take" away from the conversation.
If you indeed want me to take away something good, than it is my suggestion that you put something constructive in your posts rather than some long and heated diatribe over my critisim of health-care professionals. I will critize where it is deserved and when I feel I've been treated unfairly. Again, I don't like your tone.
Since I really have too much going on in my life at the moment to fall pray to your attempt to involve me in an argument, you may consider yourself on ignore from this point forward. The remainder of your post I won't even dignify with an answer since I think it's pretty obvious to everyone that I've responded to many of the people who gave me their much-appreciated assistance and have authored a number of new posts and even helped others who were having problems a time or two. For those I did'nt reply to personally, I DO apologize but please understand that I haven't been feeling well which is the very reason behind my posting anything in the first place.
End of conversation - I'm done here
[This message has been edited by jimbrown (edited 05-06-2003).]

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Jim, I am sorry to hear that you are still having such a difficult time. Have you been able to get anywhere with your insurance? It's too bad that you can't have the jerk of a urologist call medicaid and say that he doesn't want to see you anymore so they better send you to somebody else! (Since it is really completely his fault that you need to find another doctor). Just because you are on medicaid doesn't mean that you are not a human being and entitled to the same rights and priveleges as everyone else.
I think that the doctors need to concentrate more on how much pain and discomfort you are in rather than on how long they can possibly wait to do the surgery. It may not be life threatening, but if you are in pain then it is certainly urgent enough that the surgeon should not tell you to come back in a few months. I am fortunate enough to have fabulous health insurance that pretty much allows me to see whatever doctor I want, but I feel so bad for you. They need to at least give you a choice between urologists.
I hope everything works out for you.
Elyse
P.S. I hope you didn't get too upset over the little "debate" with the other poster. The last thing you need is to be getting upset over silly things like that.
[This message has been edited by purple2067 (edited 05-07-2003).]

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Elyse
P.S. I hope you didn't get too upset over the little "debate" with the other poster. The last thing you need is to be getting upset over silly things like that.
[This message has been edited by purple2067 (edited 05-07-2003).]

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Good Morning
I wonder why it is when we come on these boards and don't get 100% feel sorry for me support we get defensive.
When a person "chooses" to put themselves out there.. they in my opinion must be open minded about responses they will be receiving back.
We must take the "constructive critisism" along with the "I feel sorry for you"
Have a Great Day
Elyse
P.S. I hope you didn't get too upset over the little "debate" with the other poster. The last thing you need is to be getting upset over silly things like that.
[This message has been edited by purple2067 (edited 05-07-2003).]

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Good Morning
I wonder why it is when we come on these boards and don't get 100% feel sorry for me support we get defensive.
When a person "chooses" to put themselves out there.. they in my opinion must be open minded about responses they will be receiving back.
We must take the "constructive critisism" along with the "I feel sorry for you"
Have a Great Day
#1Texan

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#1Texan

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Hi Jim:
Just wanted to put my two cents in...
I find a lot of doctors treat patients as you have said. My son and myself suffered from chronic carbon monoxide posioning and I just could not make them understand what they did not understand. So the level of care and consideration was very poor.
I think that doctors are under so much stress to keep the costs down (from insurance companies)that care suffers terribly. Because thier hands are tied they start treating patients with a total lack of empathy.
It is really sad that this is what our medical system has come to.
It is very hard when your health is bad to continue to fight the medical community for your right to good and compassionate care. I know this as it happened to myself.
I wish you good luck and please keep us posted.
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Kimi